With all due respect, Mr. Vice-President, we can figure this out on our own.

Yes, that's right. I said it. Should Al Gore be involved in the United States race for President, absolutely. He's a former VP of the United States and he is a citizen of the United States. But, should he be sticking his nose into the North Carolina Lieutenant Governor's Race? No, because he doesn't have to live with the results. One of the things that bothers me most about this non-endorsement is the Dellinger campaign's reliance on family contacts yet again. When Dellinger raises money out of state based on his Dad's contacts - his supporters say that is okay. When NARAL gives its endorsement to a candidate because of his family connections - his supporters say it is okay. When Hampton visits Al-frickin-Gore, we're supposed to believe its because he supported shutting down a quarry next to the Appalachian trail or because since he began running for office he has posted several press release on the OLF and coal-powered plants. We are not supposed to think that it is because his Dad worked for Clinton/Gore as Acting Solicitor General and was Gore's lawyer during the Florida 2000 fiasco - and, his supporters say that is okay.

Well, I've got news for you, it is not okay. If Al Gore wants to non-endorse someone in North Carolina then perhaps he should be honest. Perhaps he should say that he's known Hampton through his Dad for years and that he is non-endorsing him based on that interaction and the respect he has for the Dellinger family. But, to pretend that Hampton's anemic public record on climate change was the cause for this trip and photo op, well that is just beyond the pale of believability.

But, if Al Gore wanted to be really honest, he would acknowledge the candidate in North Carolina who has been working on climate change for LONGER THAN he has - Dan Besse. While no other candidate for this office has a public record on climate change going back more than a few years, Dan Besse has been serving on STATE-WIDE environmental commissions and boards since 1985. Nineteen and eight five. As Hampton's press release email says:

Before he won the Nobel Peace Prize, before he handled the 2000 election debacle with such dignity, before becoming Vice President, Al Gore was a progressive Southern public servant in the tradition of great leaders such as North Carolina's Terry Sanford.

In fact in 1985, Al Gore had just been sworn in as a Senator from Tennessee, where he would begin to talk about the environment. But, Dan Besse had already done much more, in fact Dan Besse's first role in the environmental movement came in 1978 when he became Executive Coordinator of the Conservation Council of NC. In 1978 Al Gore was a freshman Congressmen from Tennessee, that is how long Dan Besse has been right on this issue.

So, with all due respect Vice-President Gore, North Carolina will figure out who is best for North Carolina. We already have a lot of nepotism floating around in this race, I don't think we need any more. What matters in this race is having the right beliefs on the issues and having the experience necessary to carry out those beliefs. When it comes to spooning with the business industry and their PACs, Walter Dalton is the leader. When it comes to having friends in high places, the Dellinger family fits the bill. When it comes to military experience, there is only one choice, Pat Smathers. And, when it comes to the environment there is only one choice. Dan Besse.

Maybe it is just me and the fact that I was born into a struggling, coal-mining family, but I just don't see that the womb from which you sprung and the connections that go along with that is a qualification for being Lieutenant Governor.

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Oh, Robert. So Much Word.

I tried to be gracious. But I've got to say, Robert - I agree 100%. I've been trying to find the words. I didn't want to stir up another hornet's nest of finger-pointing and ill will. I wish Hampton Dellinger the best, but I agree with you, there is another candidate in the race with stronger environmental credentials.

And while I admire Al Gore, I have always been pissed he let it go in 2000. Fight harder, don't give in! You sentenced us to 8 years of hell, man. You should have fought harder. You should have fought longer. I would have donated money I didn't have if you had needed it. But you didn't ask, man. You gave up. You gave up on us when we needed you. You gave up, and gave us to Bush.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

Those credentials.

On the environment, this is from another post I've had in rewriting for some time:

1978-80 - Executive Coordinator, Conservation Council of NC: While completing law school, managed routine administration; represented group in education and advocacy forums; planned meetings, workshops, and conferences; recruited and directed volunteers.

1980-81 - Co-director, NC Public Interest Research Group; Trained and assisted college students in research and public education projects on consumer and environmental issues.

1981 - N.C. League of Conservation Voters: Co-organizer, member, board of directors, during 1980?s and ?90?s.

1981-82 - Attorney, Lobbyist for CCNC: Represented organization before administrative and legislative forums dealing with energy, utilities, and environmental issues.

1982-83 - Officer and Attorney, Solar Access and Resources; Worked in all phases of small business building and installing solar heating systems.

1982-84 - Guilford County Advisory Board for Environmental Quality,

1985-1993 - (Chair, 1985?90). N.C. Coastal Resources Commission,

1992-93 - North Carolina State University: Adjunct Faculty, Environmental Law and Policy, Division of Multidisciplinary Studies.

1993 - N.C. State Parks Bond Referendum Committee: Chair,

1993-2005 - N.C. Environmental Management Commission,

1994-2002 - N.C. Sedimentation Control Commission,

1994-95 - Guilford College: Visiting Lecturer, Environmental Policy, Management Department.

1995-97 - Duke University: Visiting Lecturer, U.S. Environmental Policy, Terry Sanford Institute of Public Policy.

1996. Piedmont Conservation Voters: Co-organizer,

2000-2003 - Political Director CCNC: Directed candidate evaluation and assistance processes, including operation of CCNC?s Conservation PAC; assisted in volunteer recruitment and training, fundraising, media relations, and policy advocacy.

2003-present - Editor, Conservation Insider Bulletin

2003-present - Piedmont Triad Early Action Compact, Chair, Stakeholders Group

2005-2006 - N.C. Democratic Party Study Commission on the Environment: Chair,

2006-present - N.C. Climate Action Plan Advisory Group,

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Robert Robert Robert

Now Dan Besse is a more significant environmentalist than Al Gore????

Should he have won the Nobel Prize in addition to the NARAL endorsement he should have won?

Come on. Don't you think this is a bit petty?
I'm not going to be drawn into a dispute, other than to note that you really do disrespect Al Gore with your comment.

I think we can agree that Al Gore knows the difference between candidates who happen to have influential family members and candidates who are where they are because of their family members.

After all, he lost to a layabout lazy scion of a prominent political family, remember? His name is George W. Bush.

So I think Al Gore would very much have been capable of evaluating Mr. Dellinger on his merits and deciding not to say a damn word about him, no matter how much of a wonderful public servant his father has been.

Instead, he stuck his rather significant neck out for Hampton. And to me, that says a lot.

So, as with NARAL, the Besse campaign can claim that they SHOULD have gotten this endorsement. Fine. They can claim that Besse SHOULD have won the Nobel too, for all I care. Please continue with that line of argument. Again, Dan's a fine candidate in his own right.

But stop with the personal attacks, and stop with the disrespecting of a great man.

And I will again warn that if a candidate is going to claim to be spotlessly clean, that candidate had better not have any spaghetti sauce on his shirt. Whether his tie covers it or not.

"Hampton Dellinger would make a great Lieutenant Governor." - Al Gore.

"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be." -Voltaire

No, you misread.

Now Dan Besse is a more significant environmentalist than Al Gore????

Dan Besse is a more significant environmentalist than Hampton Dellinger.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

nope

In fact in 1985, Al Gore had just been sworn in as a Senator from Tennessee, where he would begin to talk about the environment. But, Dan Besse had already done much more...

I stand by my interpretation.

"Hampton Dellinger would make a great Lieutenant Governor." - Al Gore.

"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be." -Voltaire

Your interpretation sucks rocks.

Now Dan Besse is a more significant environmentalist than Al Gore????

Odd, I don't see the word "significant" anywhere in my post?

Significant (sig·nif·i·cant) Function: adjective

2 a: having or likely to have influence or effect

If there is any doubt as to who the more significant environmentalist is, I suggest you need to get out into the real world more. However, if the question is who has been actively working on the issue of the environment longer, then I think your answer is Dan Besse. Your interpretation is STILL an attempt to turn the argument away from Hampton Dellinger's use of family contacts to bolster his political record.

Edit: My exact words.

But, if Al Gore wanted to be really honest, he would acknowledge the candidate in North Carolina who has been working on climate change for LONGER THAN he has - Dan Besse.

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Personal attacks?

I don't see personal attacks and your decision to make this into a joke by saying Dan should have won the Nobel prize is a poor attempt to shift the argument. The argument is that Hampton Dellinger is using his family connections to bolster his political resume, but it cannot bolster his past resume.

Dan Besse has a long history of working for environmental causes. Hampton visited with Al-freakin-Gore to get his blessing and his long list of accomplishment are this, and only this:

I want to thank everyone who has helped in this effort—financially, emotionally, and through the letter-writing campaign. It took four years, but we were right from the very first day. I especially want to thank the attorneys and staff at the Southern Environmental Law Center. First for taking the case, which gave us legitimacy and a powerful legal advocate, and mostly for being expert at what they do. They took considerable risk in taking the case. Had we lost, state authority in critical areas of environmental protection would have been compromised. Dan Hirschman rooted through mountains of paper with me for a couple of years and I am not alone in saying that Trip Van Noppen is the best environmental lawyer in the South. We were also fortunate to have Forrest Ferrell and Ron Howell writing briefs and pleading our case in courtrooms across the state. You really ought to meet them. We would not have won without our co-plaintiffs: Appalachian Trail Conference and the National Parks Conservation Association. Morgan, many thanks. Don Barger is a true believer and told me early on that we could do this. Ollie Cox, Ashley Cook, Freddie, and Curley; and Faye and Grady Williams stood to lose their homes if we had lost, and their unique standing as Adjoining Landowners was the hook that got us into court in the first place. They have endured nearly five years of hell living next to Paul Brown's crusher, and for them I am so pleased about this outcome. Jim Gulick at the Attorney General's office lawyered powerfully for the right side. Witt Langstaff's brilliant photographs swung every doubter our way. (And he and Beth fed me good red wine to keep me settled.) And finally, the state may not have acted had not Dan Bruce (aka Wingfoot) shut down the computer system at the Attorney General's office with his Trailplace email campaign. He is an inspiration and the best friend a hiker ever had. Did I mention that Southern Environmental Law Center saved us tens of thousands of dollars, and that they are a non-profit public interest law firm and that they work for free? (I have begun making annual gifts in appreciation of all the work they do. They are currently seeking major donors. Contact me if you have an interest here, or call Annie O'Leary at 919-967-1450.)

There are dozens of others who lent their time, influence and assistance. Special thanks to Josh Stein, Senator Edwards, Pam Underhill, Steve Perri and the Tennessee Eastman Hiking and Canoe Club, Joe Deloach, Judy Murray, Molly Diggins, Jim Beasly, Ginna McGee Richards, David Knight, Bill Cocke, Bill Lowndes, Governor Hunt, Governor Easley, Hampton Dellinger, Richard Whisnant, Erskine and Crandall Bowles, Leslie Boney, Jonathan Howes, Bill Holman, Hugh Morton, William Friday, the YMR folks, John and Jeanette Bledsoe, everybody in my family, and many many more. Charles Gardner issued the permit. But he also revoked it.

How does that list of involved leaders (Governor Hunt, Governor Easley, Senator Edwards, Bill Friday, Erskine Bowles, etc) feel that Hampton is taking credit for this fight?

As a Deputy Attorney General and the Governor’s Chief Legal Counsel, I sought to live up to this tradition of strong environmental stewardship. I successfully fought to preserve the Appalachian Trail

As for the NARAL endorsement, I would love to see the minutes of meeting where that decision was made, are they available? Because I would wonder what lifetime experience they would cite for Hampton himself when compared with Dan's experience working with choice groups in the 1970s and then as Director of Public Affairs and Associate Executive Director of Planned Parenthood in the 1990s and continuing with his involvement in that group today. What qualifications did they consider other than his family's connections to the gruop? What personal experience makes him the best person to fight for NARAL?

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Off Topic

Special thanks to Josh Stein, Senator Edwards...

Josh is a candidate for State Senate, running against Jack Nichols in the primary. Thats a good list of names to be first on.

"Keep the Faith"

"Keep the Faith"

Gore

Al Gore got a huge boost from his father, who is widely viewed as having been a great senator. So perhaps Al Gore thinks it's fine for someone to win something--such as an endorsement or an election--through family connections.

Actually, I've read.....let me go find it.....

Yes, he asked his father NOT to help him.

Gore's abrupt decision to run for the open seat surprised even himself. "I didn't realize myself I had been pulled back so much to it," he later commented. The news came as a "bombshell" to his wife. Tipper Gore held a job in the Tennessean's photo lab and was working on a master's degree in psychology, but she joined in her husband's campaign (with assurance that she could get her job at the Tennessean back if he lost). By contrast, Gore asked his father to stay out of his campaign. "I must become my own man," he explained. "I must not be your candidate." Even without his father's electioneering, Gore had the asset of his famous name and the weight of his father's liberal voting record, which other candidates in the crowded Democratic primary repeatedly used against him. He defined himself as a pragmatic moderate.

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"Hampton Dellinger would make a great Lieutenant Governor." - Al Gore.

"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be." -Voltaire

Changing sig lines is a great idea....

I successfully fought to preserve the Appalachian Trail along with Ollie Cox, Ashley Cook, Freddie, and Curley, Faye and Grady Williams, Jim Gulick, Josh Stein, Senator Edwards, Pam Underhill, Steve Perri and the Tennessee Eastman Hiking and Canoe Club, Joe Deloach, Judy Murray, Molly Diggins, Jim Beasly, Ginna McGee Richards, David Knight, Bill Cocke, Bill Lowndes, Governor Hunt, Governor Easley, Richard Whisnant, Erskine and Crandall Bowles, Leslie Boney, Jonathan Howes, Bill Holman, Hugh Morton, William Friday, the YMR folks, John and Jeanette Bledsoe, everybody in my family, and many many more.

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Thanks Robert

Having moved away, I bit my tongue yesterday.

And if I still had a scanner I'd show you the "endorsement" letter my husband got from the then-vice president after he wrote Gore about (and called his office asking him to speak at) the one-year celebration (and conservation land purchase) of his environmental education non-profit. Did that mean Gore supported everything my husband may or may not do the rest of his life? I don't think so.

Dellinger is pissing more people off than he's helping.

If he keeps this up, he won't make it to the runoff.
 
News of the 10th district: See Pat Go Bye Bye,

Are you seriously equating the two?

Al Gore contacted Hampton Dellinger, invited him to Nashville, spoke with him at length, and then stated "Hampton Dellinger would make a great Lieutenant Governor." And then said Hampton could release the statement.

By saying so, he did not denigrate Dan Besse. He did not denigrate Pat Smathers. He did not denigrate Walter Dalton.

He said that Hampton Dellinger would make a great Lt. Governor. And he would.

I am sure your husband is proud of his letter from Al Gore. I'm proud of mine from Jim Hunt when I was just out of college and he thanked me for working on his campaign.

You know what, though? Jim Hunt didn't release a press statement saying I would make a great lieutenant governor. If he did, you're darn tootin' I would be telling everyone about it (if I were silly enough to expose myself to this kind of hateful inanity).

By the same token, I think that if Gore were to have kind words for any of the other three candidates, it would lead their email flurry for weeks. So let's not pretend that this is the intervention of some insignificant outsider. This is Al Gore.

Now, on the family connections issue, Hampton didn't exactly hide it, did he?

Al Gore said Hampton would be a great Lieutenant Governor. Hampton probably did come to his attention because of the respect and admiration Gore has for Walter Dellinger (even though Walter was NOT Gore's lawyer in 2000 - he was an advisor. David Boies was his lawyer). That and the experience Frank Hunger has of working with and being friends with Hampton Dellinger. That may be so. Again, people who work with Hampton like him, and stay in touch with him. SHOCK AND HORROR.

But Al Gore makes up his own mind about things. And Al Gore said that Hampton Dellinger would make a great Lieutenant Governor. And he will.

I'll leave it to others to impugn Al Gore's integrity and honesty. That's not a road anyone who hopes to be a successful Democratic candidate for any office should really want to go down.

"Hampton Dellinger would make a great Lieutenant Governor." - Al Gore.

"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be." -Voltaire

Good tactic, very Republicanesque.

I'll leave it to others to impugn Al Gore's integrity and honesty. That's not a road anyone who hopes to be a successful Democratic candidate for any office should really want to go down.

Nothing like "misinterpreting" what was said into the worst possible light and trying to turn a debate into a cudgel. What environmental credential does Hampton Dellinger run on, other than a few press releases? I ask it again DFL because you keep using Rovian tactics to avoid the question and turn this into a battle of US vs. Gore.

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Yeah, you never go negative

Now I am Karl Rove.

Look, Robert, of course none of the three other candidates have Dan's record. It's Dan's record.

Of course, Dan hasn't ever served in the executive branch of government, either, let alone struggled alongside the Governor to make sure that the General Assembly didn't gut a lot of the environmental programs in this state during the worst fiscal crisis since the Great Depression.

Because Hampton was legal counsel to the Governor he can never talk about much of what he did. Attorney client and executive privilege apply to much of it. But he fought hard to ensure that the Administration protected environmental and social priorities.

Records are different. Dan has an admirable record of advocacy as a public interest lawyer. If that were the only acceptable way to become Lt. Governor of North Carolina, then by God, Besse would be unbeatable. Because the other three candidates followed different career paths.

Luckily enough it is not the only way to get elected Lt. Governor. It is not the only way to be a dedicated servant of the people of North Carolina.

You may impugn Hampton as some kind of johnny-come-lately, but he has been moving at the highest levels of government and politics in this state for a long time. And he has always done so while advancing an admirably progressive point of view.

Now, that point of view gets to become his agenda, and, petty snipes at his family aside, not even the BlueNC attack squad can contest that his agenda is progressive and forward-looking and would be good for North Carolina.

"Hampton Dellinger would make a great Lieutenant Governor." - Al Gore.

"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be." -Voltaire

Privilege Please

I am not aware that North Carolina recognizes an Executive privilege doctrine. Any attorney client privilege that the Governor has is with the Attorney General's Office as they are the State's lawyers. Discussions with staff, even if they are attorneys, regardless of their title, are not privileged under the attorney client relationship because the State only recognizes such a relationship with the Attorney General's Office.

Even if there were a privilege, it is held by the Governor, and I am sure he would waive it to assist Hampton to talk about whatever he wants to.

All documents created by Hampton during his tenure in the Governor's Office would likely be public records unless the communication was to the State's attorneys concerning actual or pending litigation or met any other of the limited exceptions in the public records law. Anyone can ask the Governor's Office for them.

Correction:

A sincere thank you to DFL for correcting me: Mr. Dellinger was not Al Gore's lawyer during the Florida debacle. The lawyer and former Acting Solicitor General of the United States of America was acting as an "advisor", not a lawyer for Mr. Gore.

Is that correct? Glad we straightened that out.

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What did Dellinger do wrong?

I don't agree with the initial post - Gore doesn't live in NC, but isn't the whole point that new coal plants would be something the whole world has to live with? - but at least I understand where he's coming from. W

hat I don't understand is how this is an example of how "Dellinger is pissing more people off than he's helping." What did he do wrong here? The article explicitly said it wasn't an "endorsement" and referenced his dad's involvement with Gore. Dellinger wasn't trying to make it seem like more than it was. Was Dellinger supposed to turn down Gore's invitation or keep Gore's comments - which I'm sure were said with the understanding that they would be released to the press - private? Do you honestly think Besse, Smathers, or any other politician in America wouldn't have done at least as much as Dellinger did with this meeting?

With all due respect, yourself

Drink deep of the latest pitcher of sour grape juice. Have seconds, they'll make more. You can count on it.

Welcome to Round 10 of "But they/he/she/it endorsed the wrong candidate... again."

Again and again and again it is the same impassioned plea for nullification. Nullify the hard-won advantage in fundraising that Hampton built. Nullify the endorsement from NARAL. Nullify the support from Al Gore.

I've got to ask, why is it that you spend so much time here belly-aching about every accomplishment of Hampton's campaign instead of spending your time trumpeting the latest accomplishment of Dan's campaign? Why are you not talking up Dan's latest endorsement -- or hell, policy statement -- with pride?

Why is it always a nonstop parade of negativism about how good things consistently happen to the wrong people? You don't like that Gore says nice stuff about Hampton? Fine, let the thread die and replace it with some great thing Dan is doing.

I mean, I assume you must have something positive to talk about, right?

Would you care to show me my belly-aching versus positive

posts? From what I can see, I've written one post since deciding on a candidate, this one. I posted where everyone's fundraising came from BEFORE I decided on a candidate and said

I love me some pivot tables.
Submitted by Robert P. on Tue, 01/29/2008 - 11:53am.

I'm not sure how much I think this matters, I do think it matters a little and as I've said below there was a good chance I would have let it go if many of his emails weren't about raising money and crowing over how much money he had raised.

Now, don't make me get out my Excel and making histograms of the number of contributions of differing amounts.

"nonstop parade of negativism"? Hardly. Get a grip.

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You're right

Robert, with the exception of this post, I do feel that you generally produce positive, constructive, thoughtful pieces. You departed from that track record here, in my opinion, but I ought not to have singled you out. I was frustrated and let it get the better of me. I apologize.

What I should have referred to is the general negative tone concerning debate over the LG campaign. The tone that Anglico recently mentioned, calling it depressing. Today again, the LG conversation has turned nasty and negative, and this time it was incited by your post and subsequent comments.

I don't hide my support for Dellinger. I try hard to confine my comments to positive stuff about Dellinger, or at least only pushing back against unfairly negative stuff about him. I like Dan and Pat and I take care not to spend time trashing them. And it's not because I can't think of anything negative to say. I just don't see it as a valuable contribution to the conversation and I think they deserve better.

I was downright amazed yesterday when the Gore post went up and there was a civil, positive series of comments. I even made a comment saying how great that was -- which a subsequent commenter warned me was a giant jinx. He was right.

Hampton is a great candidate for LG. He got support and kind words from one of the great lights of the environmental movement -- an incredible boost and affirmation. And this time it was you who turned the tone of the dialogue.

I just think Dellinger, and the conversation, deserve better.

I don't think he deserves better.

His fundraising relies on family connections, his NARAL endorsement relies on family connections, his Gore non-endorsement relies on family connections.

last I checked, this wasn't an aristocracy. I want someone with a record fighting for change, fighting for the right causes because they believe in them, not for political expediency. Google Hampton Dellinger and NARAL/planned parenthood/environment/climate change/OLF/water conservation and any other term you can think of - then look for any links from before the election started.

I don't believe that he is the right person for this job and I don't care who his parents are or what they've done.

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Have you noticed that you haven't stood up for his record?

Except to say that it is top secret?

Excrementitious ooze? Why, because I question his experience? Right, I forgot, "Thou shall not question a member of the family."

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Remember when

You wrote this comment about Hampton:

Now, on the other hand. My son and I met Hampton at Whole Foods one day and had a long conversation. Okay, he did "play" the politician, but he was also a real nice guy to chat with. We talked about kids, rainbow soccer, all sorts of things. I liked him, still do I guess (haven't seen or talked to him since then).

In the end, I'm left with two pictures of Hampton, one of a nice guy with a nice family that I would be pleased to invite over to the house for a cook-out (or chili, like we did tonight with several couples). But, there is that other Hampton, the politician, who seems a little overanxious, a little tone-deaf, a little eager, and maybe a little blind to his image.

I think I would be apt to support Hampton, but in the end, I have reservations.

Now I am certainly not questioning your right to change your mind and your vote, but your posts and comments are so nasty about him now -- they've really gone around the bend. I'm not trying to change your mind, I'm just saying can't we get back to when the conversation was more like this?

As recently as a few days ago.

I emailed Hampton to let him know I would support him against Dalton in a run-off. However, I can't support him in the primary. This photo-op non-endorsement pushed all the wrong buttons for me. A non-endorsement by the biggest figure in environmental news today, sent to the media outlets, emailed to everyone on his list today - all shortly after the endorsement of another candidate by the conservation PAC.

EVEN STILL! I wouldn't have a problem with it, if he were a life-long environmentalist with a strong record. But, I have yet to see even one of his supporters show me how he has been fighting for the environment over his lifetime. If he hasn't been fighting that fight, then can there really be any other way to read this non-endorsement than to say it is based on his family's record and not on his own? And, that it was meant to drown-out any positive media that the Conservation PAC endorsement bestowed on Besse, times ten....or a thousand. There won't be another story written about the race that mentions climate change or the environment that won't highlight this non-endorsement, SUCCESSFULLY diluting Dan's lifetime of work in this field.

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Thanks

for explaining where you are coming from on this. It helps me to understand why you reacted the way you did. While we disagree on the fundamental issue, I can readily relate to your feelings of frustration -- I know I feel like headbutting my computer sometimes when I am on here.

Dan does have a great, long record on the environment, and that is a wonderful thing. I do agree with DrFrank, though, that sometimes candidates come along like JRE with nontraditional public records, and that is not a bad thing. You may have to evaluate them along a different axis, and it makes it harder to compare apples to apples, but great candidates come with different shapes, sizes, and yes, backgrounds.

Dan is one of them. Hampton is another.

Thanks for the info, Robert

I was not aware of Hampton's family connections to Gore. That information is helpful.

Well....it's been mentioned in every article I've read

nobody tried to hide it - especially Hampton.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.



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"Hampton Dellinger would make a great Lieutenant Governor." - Al Gore.

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Weighing in.....

Y'all know I started out as a Hampton fan. Then I became a Besse fan and had pretty much decided to vote for him.

Then all this crap started and honestly.......this pissing match is a bit much.

The Besse supporters now sound like...I don't know...but it isn't pretty. People are attacking Hampton instead of supporting Dan. This post really sounds like sour grapes. It would have been much more powerful if the list of Dan's accomplishments had been the major point of the post instead of moaning about Hampton's family connections. I thought Linda's post about the NARAL endorsement sounded a bit sour grape-ish (Sorry, Brunette) too.

I have no problem doing opposition research on Republicans and tearing them down while at the same time promoting my guy. I'll even do oppo research on another Democrat if there's some really good reason (ethical/moral/really a Republican) to do it. Hampton might not have all the credentials Dan does, but he's lived a different life and he hasn't lived as long as Dan. Maybe when he has, his list of credentials will be as long. Maybe not. Hampton's family are good people. I've not researched them thoroughly, but my understanding is their Democratic credentials are pretty damned strong. I simply can't imagine attacking a man because his family has been involved in Democratic politics longer than some of us have been alive on this earth. What, is he supposed to disown them....ask to be disinherited? Don't we want Democrats who are willing to do everything (legal/ethical/moral) that it takes to win? Do you really think Dan Besse would turn down an endorsement from a group his wife volunteered for? Really?

Tear down Republicans all you want, but tearing down strong progressive Democrats? I think y'all are nuts



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Have I told you...

... how much I enjoy your lectures on blogging etiqquette? ;-)

"Hampton Dellinger would make a great Lieutenant Governor." - Al Gore.

"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be." -Voltaire

Hahahahaha

Yes, I believe you have said a thing or two along those lines. :)

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.



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Today's French spelling lesson...

"Etiquette"
French is my second language, didn't mean to yank your chain :-)

Trust me....he knows how to spell it

...and quite a few other "french" words as well. :D

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Excusez-moi

Je n'aurais pas du appuyer sur le "q" deux fois comme ca. Desole.

Pas d'accents. 'suis desole.

"Hampton Dellinger would make a great Lieutenant Governor." - Al Gore.

"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be." -Voltaire

Funny.

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Don't worry

While you're correcting my spelling and I am dredging up long-buried grammar lessons to try and show off, Robert is upthread beating his head against the wall.

Good times...

"Hampton Dellinger would make a great Lieutenant Governor." - Al Gore.

"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be." -Voltaire

R.P. Delta B-sub-lood where DFL=W-sub-all

One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

pas de probleme

Voulez vous couchez avec moi ce soir?

I couldn't agree more.

Tear down Republicans all you want, but tearing down strong progressive Democrats? I think y'all are nuts

The reason why I'm staying out of all this bickering is that I think we have bigger fish to fry.
If Hillary Clinton is our presidential nominee, I don't think we need to worry about who will be our candidate for Lt. Governor. We also won't have to worry about who our candidate for Governor is...
If H is the candidate, the Republicans will take over the state.
I guess I might have just opened up a whole other can of worms, but oh well, it's my 2 cents. That's 0.0137 Euros by the way.
Let the flaming begin :-)

I don't agree with you on this one

Fortunately, our Dems - even the ones who vote Republican for preznit - are smart enough to know who they want running this state. I would be concerned about the Senate seat.

I do agree that we have bigger fish to fry and that would be every Republican running for council of state, NC Senate and NC House. :)

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.



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Oh...and let me add

we now know who many of those Republicans are now that filing has started.

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Whoever you are voting for...

That was a great post. Kudos. You said everything I was trying to say, and said it better.

Sorry, but we'll have to agree to disagree.

I was raised to believe that who you were born to was of no importance, it was what you did. DFL has said his record can't be judged because it is confidential. So, we have to go by his public involvement, which is next to none. What we do see if family influence.

I can't get behind that - at all.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

you willfully misnterpret what I said

seems to be a habit.

You're talking trash about a friend of mine. It's unfair, and you should stop.

I will not agree to let you continue to do that unabated.

Dan Besse should denounce your posts on this thread, with the exception of your citation of his record, which neither I, nor Hampton, nor anyone else have ever belittled, attacked or misrepresented.

The rest of your posts are childish, sour grapes character assassination and not typical of the quality of your posts here or for JRE. Mrs. Edwards would likely not approve.

And I grew up the son of a divorced school teacher. I remember looking into an empty refrigerator. I remember watching my mom sacrifice her retirement so I could go to school. I remember warnings about Santa Claus having a smaller sled this year. I remember hearing her cry herself to sleep at night over worry about whether the check to the electric company would beat her paycheck to the bank.

I remember that well, and I don't make a SINGLE decision in my political life without asking myself if it would be good for my Mom and families like hers.

So you don't have any special claim to speaking for the little guy. You sound remarkably like a Republican attacking Edwards for being rich and lite on experience.

You know what? I'm damn glad that particular guy with a nontraditional public record ran for office. And I'm glad Hampton is running, too.

"Hampton Dellinger would make a great Lieutenant Governor." - Al Gore.

"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be." -Voltaire

I was talking to Betsy.

One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

BTW, still waiting to hear about his record.

avoiding it "seems to be a habit."

I have not attacked his character, I've attacked his record, or lack thereof. I've attacked the nepotism that his campaign relies upon.

Your attacks on me do not deflect from the fact that you haven't been able to name ONE SINGLE thing he has done to attract the attention of NARAL or Al Gore - other than being born to the right family.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

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