Dole attacks Freedom of Religion and does not attend church often

Under the Dome is reporting that Elizabeth Dole is criticizing Kay Hagan for receiving support from "anti-religion" groups.

Republican U.S. Sen. Elizabeth Dole is attacking Democratic challenger Kay Hagan for raising money from “anti-religion activists” at an upcoming event in Boston.

Hagan is appearing at a fundraiser by two people who do not follow the tenets of Christianity, a clear attack on our Constitutionally-derived rights to Freedom of Religion.

Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

How does Dole respond?

Another Dole spokesman, Hogan Gidley, pointed out that freedom of religion is part the Constitution, but he questioned Hagan’s ties.

“You can tell a lot from who your friends are,” Gidley said.

It would appear that Kay Hagan is friends with people who believe in the Constitution, therefore, she is a strong believer in the Constitution. Meanwhile, Elizabeth Dole is
"scheduled to attend a fundraiser this week at the Tampa, Fla., home of Alfred Austin, a Bush “Ranger” in the 2004 election." I think that tells all anyone needs to know about who Elizabeth Dole is.

Lastly, Under the Dome reveals to us that:

Dole, too, often attends church services around the state when she is in North Carolina.

Given that Elizabeth Dole lives full-time in Washington, D.C. and her husband still maintains his residency in Kansas, one can only assume that Under the Dome is suggesting that Elizabeth Dole rarely attends church services.

For those who don't get it, this is a joke, poking fun at Under the Dome. Showing how easy it is to put a partisan spin on any article. UtD swears that they are not biased, but the spin in their articles is purely Republican-based. Now, about this article. Elizabeth Dole is attacking Kay Hagan for receiving support from atheists, which is a clear attack on people's Constitutional Freedom of Religion. Is that UtD's lead? No, they lead with Hagan being supported by "anti-religion" groups. No bias there. They also go out of their way to mention that Elizabeth Dole goes to church when she is in the state, even though the campaign did not tell them that and they offer no proof of it. If the Hagan campaign says that and it isn't true, then they are setting themselves up for a big fall. UtD did not attribute Dole going to church to anyone, so who said it? Can they prove it? Again, Dole does not come to North Carolina, so when does she go to all these church services?

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Why do we accept Republicans trashing the Constitution?

Why is it that they use it as a hammer against us, when they are the ones who so often abuse it?

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Perhaps the Dome

would come over and explain itself? Ryan visited once and was a pretty good sport. But the place seems more distributed now. No longer a person, more like a gang. Maybe Krueger is holding down the Sean Hannity seat?

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I don't want the Dome to explain itself....

I would like the entire Democratic Party of North Carolina to call out Under the Dome as no better than Fox News; and, to have all Democrats cancel their subscriptions to the N&O until such time as they clear house or allow them to blog in a nonpartisan manner.

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DC

So if going to church is such a big deal for Dole, where does she go in DC?

Liddy Husband worships at the hot-pants of Satan Church?

So if going to church is such a big deal for Dole, where does she go in DC?* Greg

Easy! The Church of which restroom stall Jesus is under? Pastor Larry Craig usually conducts the tours with the hands on touchy of a Feel good Jesus!

Of course, Liddy husband can usually be found in the brotherhood religious rites at the Temple of Doom worshiping Fat Al [ Albert Pike room.]

What Liddy won't tell you is that her Husband brotherhood forbids women from entering the Temple of Doom nor having membership.

RTB on vacation

RTB is on vacation this week, so that's one reason you're seeing more names posting to Dome. But we're also trying to get more of the staff involved in Dome.

I saw that James Protzman was hoping we would explain ourself. I'm not sure I feel the need to explain myself, but I'll answer any questions I can. (I'm off to a meeting as soon as I post this, though, so be patient with me. I'll check back.)

Bill Krueger
Capital Editor
The News & Observer

Thanks, Bill

Ryan was kind enough to stop by to talk about N&O blogging awhile back. Since then, many of us have sensed a marked shift to the Dark Side in coverage.

I know, the Dark Side has the same complaint about all your liberal leanings - and you guys argue that when both sides are unhappy, you must be doing something right. That's certainly one way to look at it.

Would love to hear more about how you decide what to post to the Dome blog versus what gets left on the cutting room floor. From where I sit, it looks like you get more fodder from the right ... and use plenty of it on the blog. Truth be told, the right is great at marketing, at setting the public agenda, with their multi-million dollar opinion manufacturing machine.

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Under the Dome

James,

I've seen some of the posts in the past accusing Dome of tilting to the right. Some relied on what I regarded as fairly questionable logic. An example given once was that all the posts on the home page at the moment dealt with Republicans. But it didn't deal with the content of the posts - whether they were positive or negative about Republicans. If you look at our Hot Topics on the right-hand side, I think it indicates we post about the same on both sides in contested elections.

Yes, we get complaints from both sides. But that could mean we're doing everything wrong as much as it means we're doing everything right.

Here's what we're trying to do:

- Provide a quick outlet for news and information about North Carolina government and politics.

- Provide a spot for people from all sides to discuss and debate N.C. government and politics.

- Help our readers hold officials and candidates accountable.

- Have some fun occasionally.

Beyond that, there's no formula for what makes it and what doesn't. We are looking for a mix of quick, easy hits (and, yes, that includes rewrites of press releases sometimes) and items like our Claims Dept. installments that can take a day or more to report.

I hope that helps.

Bill

Thanks, Bill

It does help. Looks like we're both trying to do the same things.

Understandably, we don't get a lot of people from the Dark Side gracing our virtual door, and when they do show, it's usually to lob grenades. The Dome, on the other hand, seems to have more than enough to keep the comments flowing. There are a lot of reasons I've stopped linking to the Dome (though I still link to the articles posted on the N&O website), but the main reason is your tolerance of the FFC creature. We are all known by the company we keep, and frequenting the same place as that guy is asking too much, in my jaded opinion.

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James,

We're trying to come up with a way to let readers see who is commenting before they click on a comment headline. But that's beyond my technical expertise, so we're relying on some other very busy folks.

Bill

That's bull!

Every time I have done a comment talking about the posts on UtDs front page it was +Dole, +Dole, Edwards, Edwards, Edwards, -Bev etc.

That is complete bull. Are you actually reading everything that is published on UtD?

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I'm on my phone

So I have to give you a short answer. On this dole story, why did you carry Dole's anti-religion water? Why not question her campaign saying that freedom of religion only applies to some people? Why not ask about the hypocrisy?

Who told you Dole attends church when in nc? You mention hagan staff, but seems dole defense comes from the paper? Can you cite specific instance of her attending church in nc in 2008?

----insert witty remark here----coming soon----

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-me

Under the Dome

Robert,

I disagree that we carried water for Dole.

The Dole campaign chose to make an issue of an out-of-state fundraiser for Hagan. We checked with the Hagan campaign to, one, determine if facts of the claim were accurate and, if so, give them a chance to comment. We also gave the Dole campaign a chance to comment.

I don't see what the harm is in then making that information available to readers. You're free then to make your own judgement about what the campaigns said and others are free to make their judgement.

Do I wish we had ready access to the candidates themselves so that we could ask them the questions directly? Absolutely. And sometimes we can.

But news and information travel quickly these days. If we waited to question the candidate on each issue that arose before we published, we'd be accused of sitting on stories - the old gatekeeper at work again.

I'm sorry to say I don't know the answer right now to your question about Dole's church attendance. I don't know if the reporter got it from the campaign or from earlier stories or what... But we should have been clear about that. It is important for us to let people know where we get information.

Bill

Dole chose to make an issue out of what?

Your headline ties hagan to "anti-religion". The story could just as easily have been about Dole's hypocrisy. But, you chose to view it from the Republican POV. Just because you receive a press release from Dole doesn't mean you have to report it that way, instead you could QUESTION the underlying premise.

Another example, if you are looking for one, was a story that Ryan did last week. The headline read something like "Perdue will not appear with Obama" and then went on to discuss for two paragraphs how Perdue had appeared with Obama during the primary, but now that she was seeking wider appeal, she would not appear with him. But, in paragraph three, BY THE WAY, she would be appearing in a televised debate at the same time. Yet, the headline would lead readers to believe that Bev was ducking Obama, giving the impression that Dems were avoiding Obama that they were embarassed or worried about being seen with him. That's not a mistake, that's propoganda.

AND, much later he came back with an update that Perdue had been at an Obama event after the primary, when mechanical failures caused him to miss the event. But, by then the story had probably scrolled off the page. Did you update the headline? Did you update the time stamp to move it to the top of the page? No.

The stories at Under the Dome are skewed and biased. Perhaps it is unintentional, but that does not excuse it, it explains it.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
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Which reporter?

Flanagan also pointed out that Hagan routinely attends church services around North Carolina during her campaign swings.

(Dole, too, often attends church services around the state when she is in North Carolina.)

Bill, this blog has your byline on it. Did you write it? If so, I don't understand this statement at all:

I'm sorry to say I don't know the answer right now to your question about Dole's church attendance. I don't know if the reporter got it from the campaign or from earlier stories or what... But we should have been clear about that. It is important for us to let people know where we get information.

Whoever wrote that felt compelled to counter Colleen's statement about Kay attending church. The thing is, that counterpoint wasn't appropriate—Colleen wasn't trying to put Hagan ahead of Dole in a church-going competition, she was simply making it clear that Kay isn't an athiest. Which was in response to this quote that you allowed into your blog piece:

“You can tell a lot from who your friends are,” Gidley said.

And by the way, I will be waiting for your "fair and balanced" piece where you quote a good one-liner from a late-night comedian about a Republican politician. Maybe something about airport bathrooms?

Fake reports by Dome Editor?

So, is he taking credit for something he didn't write. Or, is he writing something for which he doesn't want to take credit?

I don't think that Senator McCain doesn't care what's going on in the lives of Americans, I just think he doesn't know.

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-me

Hopefully he will come back and explain,

but I've been running several different possibilities through my mind, and they each end up falling under one of these two categories to a certain degree:

So, is he taking credit for something he didn't write. Or, is he writing something for which he doesn't want to take credit?

I can't think of a third thing.

Under the Dome's Coverage of Democratic National Convention

Under the Dome's coverage of DNC

It's been 14 hours since they have updated, pretty much since the build up to last night's speech. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they work bankers hours. They posted 11 stories yesterday between 8am and 6pm, so I'm sure they will give complete coverage of the event today.

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-me

Bankers' hours

Robert,

We are not a 24/7 operation, at least not yet. But we continue to work in that direction. That comes in part by getting more people on the staff in position to post to Dome, extending the reach of RTB.

But we have done some late-night and weekend duty on more purely local stories - gubernatorial debates, presidential candidate appearances in state, etc. And there will be more of that to come.

Bill

A third thing

If you go back and read the post, you will note that it says in the text that it was reported by Barb Barrett.

Barb sent it me, I did a quick edit and then I posted it. I didn't write it.

I do write occasional posts, but I often post the work of others. We always note in the text who wrote it if it's different from the person posting. If you look at the posts this week from the DNC, for example, most were written by either Rob Christensen or Jim Morrill.

Bill

Under the Dome: Palin- 6, Obama-1

The only "Obama" article was one that mentioned an Emerald Isle man got to go backstage at the event. The headlines of the Palin articles:

  • Miller debated polar bears with Palin
  • Burr: Palin helps balance ticket
  • McCrory: Sometimes it takes a mayor
  • N.C. GOP: Palin a 'visionary leader'
  • GOP delegates picked Palin
  • N.C. Dems: Sarah who?

You could only say that the NC dem article is negative, the rest are positive, regurgitated press releases from NC GOPers. A speech that many are calling the best in a generation gets nothing, McCain's pick of an Alaskan Governor of 2 years gets all this positive press?

Naaaah, no bias there.

I don't think that Senator McCain doesn't care what's going on in the lives of Americans, I just think he doesn't know.

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-me

don't matter

McCain's pick today was going to steal the headlines no matter what. So it didn't matter who he picked, in terms of "changing the story," as the networks say: the story was going to change. His stratergizing, as W would say, was sound, but I predict his choice is bad. She sounded as unpresidential as any candidate I've ever heard; squeaky voice, etc. Her positions won't get the hillary vcters unless she flop-flips, which we can kill her on. She makes McSame look even older when they're standing beside each other, while Biden - even to my 14-year-old-daughter - is "distinguished, or hot or an old guy" - but makes Barack look even more cool and in tune with the future. I'd run Hillary at her at every campaign stop she makes, if Hillary will do it. She'll devastate her to women. And if I was Barack, I'd steal a page from Bill C and "don't stop talkin' about tomorrow."
Barack's best ad so far, to me, is the one that talks about "the hands that built...can build..." The future, that's what we've got to key on. McCain is the past, and his veep is the past, even if she is fresh-to-the-nation.

bradford

bradford

Quite a difference from Hillary

I thought McCain was really far to the right of Hillary (and the country), supporting the overturning of Roe v Wade. But Palin is even worse. She doesnt support abortion, even in cases of rape and incest!

"Keep the Faith"

"Keep the Faith"