Electoral College Change in Works?

A House Committee approved a bill to distribute NC's electoral votes proportionally, according to the vote in each Congressional District.

Now if it was just retroactive to 2000, we would have had President Gore...

from the Durham Herald-Sun:

N.C. electoral vote distribution change moving closer to passage

North Carolina is one step closer to eliminating its winner-take-all method for distributing its 15 electoral votes, a move that would probably help Democrats score again in the state's presidential sweepstakes.

Along party lines, a House committee agreed Wednesday to create a more proportional method that its supporters argue would encourage the parties' presidential nominees to compete in North Carolina for electoral votes and boost voter interest.

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A candidate would get one electoral vote for each congressional district he or she carries. The candidate who wins statewide would take the remaining two votes.

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The measure, which already has passed the Senate, now goes to the full House. Gov. Mike Easley, a Democrat, also would be asked to sign any final bill into law.

Maine and Nebraska are the only states that use a similar congressional district method.

(link fixed by Anglico)

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awesome

that is great news

"Keep the Faith"

"Keep the Faith"

That would be a very interesting change.

It would be really cool to deliver an electoral vote to the Blue side from the good 'ole 13th., where Brad is da man.
The critics say it woul dilute our influence on the national scene, but with popoulation projections most likely causing our electoral vote count to continue to increase, NC's electoral votes just cannot be ignored even if "halved".

I actively oppose gerrymandering. Do you?

I think we would gain influence

The way it is right now we get fundraising trips by the Republicans, and maybe 2 visits by the Democrat.

With this plan we could see a few trips here and there to 4 or 5 specific places. Imagine trips by both nominees to Greensboro, Asheville, and maybe even Johnston County.

"Keep the Faith"

"Keep the Faith"

is there any substitute for a popular vote?

Come on now, let's not fall into partisan games on this one. The election of the President is our one national election. If you get the most votes, you should win. Every vote should be counted equally. An idea that is spreading around the country was recently passed by the Senate, and it's a a much better solution than dividing votes by Congressional districts. A popular vote for president is the only fair idea - let's move beyond partisan games and do the right thing. Take a look: National Popular Vote

Resolutions

Resolutions to be brought to the Democratic State Executive Committee this year include both - one supporting the measure to award electoral votes by district, and one supporting the compact giving all electoral votes to the winner of the nationwide vote. I thought those were mutually exclusive, until it was pointed out to me that we could do the distribution by district until the compact passes in enough states to take effect. So I'm cool with both resolutions.

Districts are ok, but awarding all of NC's

electoral votes to the winner of the national popular vote just seems dead wrong to me. The disposition of our electoral votes should be determined by NC voters. Imagine Massachusettes in '72 NOT getting to be the only state that didn't vote for Nixon. This idea comes from looking backward and trying to correct the 2000 election and not preparing a sensible, balanced solution that allows for an uncertain future.
I like the idea of going by cong districts, but I will oppose the popular vote resolution at the SEC meeting in Aug.

I actively oppose gerrymandering. Do you?

I don't think it matters

It's gonna be a long time before a group of states with 270+ EVs band together and pass this ... and it may be ruled unconstitutional before that.

1 Thessalonians 5:21: But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.

I always wanted to be the avenging cowboy hero—that lone voice in the wilderness, fighting corruption and evil wherever I found it, and standing for freedom, truth and justice. - Bill Hicks

Each state has the power

to determine how they select their electors for the Electoral College. I'm not sure how the agreement with the states banding together could legimately be found unconstitutional.

I do agree it's gonna take a long time to get to 270. Any state with a GOP-controlled House or Senate or Governor is likely to kill this proposal.

See Article 1, Section 10 of the Constitution

It would have to pass the US Congress as well.

1 Thessalonians 5:21: But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.

I always wanted to be the avenging cowboy hero—that lone voice in the wilderness, fighting corruption and evil wherever I found it, and standing for freedom, truth and justice. - Bill Hicks

Some of the earlier

electorial vote casting rules allowed deligates to decide how their state was going to vote. Their was no vote by the people to sway this body. They where recognized by the state and they cast.

How ever a State determines to cast its electorial college votes is constitutional. If we wanted to, we could put the names of every candidate into a hat and pull their name and award the votes. It would be constitutional...not to smart, but constitutional if we as a state decided to do it that way.

Allowing our vote to be cast based on the results of other states can also be done, but this is just as smart as putting names in a hat. No real representation of the people.

Not true

Is it constitutional if it deprives other states of rights?

And see the above comment.

No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.

Though you're totally right about everything else.

1 Thessalonians 5:21: But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.

I always wanted to be the avenging cowboy hero—that lone voice in the wilderness, fighting corruption and evil wherever I found it, and standing for freedom, truth and justice. - Bill Hicks

I do not like awarding my vote to the popular vote

based on the country numbers. That dilutes my vote and my voice. I want to be reconed with, not assimalated to the general concensus of the country. Might as well not vote. Let billy-bob in California, Texas, New York and Ilinois vote for me. If the Politicians win those states, they are probably going to win it all. By conceding our electorial vote to the general population vote, we have given away our votes to others. No politician is going to give a hoot to what NC does as they know we have to cast our votes according to the will of the country.

Spliting our electorial collage vote down to the congressional district is much better as that makes us a wild card.

Politicians are going to have to work with us just to protect themselfs if nothing else.

I don't see why we need an electoral college at all.

I think that the president should be elected by the people.


Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

History

The electoral college was put in place to protect small states or states without a large population from being dominated by states like New York which have huge populations.
The electoral college was to protect the rural south from being dominated by the populated north. Worked good untill 1860. We must be careful not to toss out the baby with the bathwater.

See,

if we just counted the votes - not by state, but you know - vote by vote - we wouldn't have to worry about big states, small states, or any babies being thrown out with any bathwater.

Combine that with publicly-funded campaigns and then you've got yourself some democracy.


Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

That's what the compact is supposed to do . . .

render the electoral college irrelevant. If every state cast their electoral votes for the national popular vote winner, then the winner of the popular vote would win the election. If that had been done in 2000, well . . .

I don't know why people think it will be easier to get this compact through enough states than it would be to pass a constitutional amendment to do away with the electoral college and elect the president by direct vote of the people. It seems like we're going around our elbow to get to our thumb.

It seems like the math doesn't quite work like that

but I'm too tired to explain why I think it wouldn't.

And it does seem like going around your.....elbow to get to your thumb.


Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi