Super Tuesday Open Thread.


Yikes, I guess many of us have jumped off the "excitement" bandwagon. The first results are in on the Red side.

Mike Huckabee is the projected winner of the West Virginia GOP caucus. CNN and MSNBC called it first ...

Mitt Romney was second; John McCain, a distant third ... The final count per the WVA GOP:

Huckabee 567 VOTES (51%)
Romney 521 VOTES (47%)
McCain 12 VOTES (1%)

“Congratulations to Mike Huckabee who is the winner of 18 of West Virginia’s 30 delegates to the Republican National Convention,” said Bob Fish, CEO of the convention.

Maybe a bad sign for McCain, who needs a good showing in Georgia to solidify his conservative base credentials?

Picture via Makeshift Utopia.

Comments

No, this is what McCain campaign wanted

Word is that after the first vote McCain representatives told their voters to go for Huckabee because a Huckabee win means that Romney gets zero delgates. Romney desparately needed to pick up some delegates to compete today and the McCain folks totally denied him.

Romney gets political gang bang in West Virginia?

The media is reporting that Huckabee won all 18 delegates at the West Virginia state Republican convention, but...

After Ron Paul's 10% showing on the first convention ballot, his name was dropped out of the running for ballot #2. The Ron Paul people went to Huckabee and made a deal to get 3 of the 18 national delegates in exchange for throwing their votes to Huckabee. On the second ballot, Huckabee got 52%, and Ron Paul gets 3 of his national delegates. Not a bad trade for 10%.

UPDATE: Here are confirmations of the deal for the three delegates from the Ron Paul campaign and from a local television station.
UPDATE @4:42
Mike Huckabee came away with the win in West Virginia Tuesday, but had to make a deal with his opponents to get there. After one round of voting, Huckabee was in second place. Mitt Romney was in first place in West Virginia. During the intermission, WSAZ has learned that both the campaigns of John McCain and Ron Paul agreed to steer their delegates to Huckabee.

For McCain, it was a chance to stop Mitt Romney from getting a much needed win in the first Super Tuesday announcement. Romney is McCain's closest opponent in many national polls. (In fact, we found some McCain staffers holding signs to tell their delegates to vote Huckabee in the second round. They did NOT like our cameras getting pictures of them doing this by the way.)

WSAZ has learned that Huckabee will give three of his 18 delegates to the Ron Paul campaign in exchange for the support in West Virginia.

"We struck a deal with the Huckabee people. They came to us and dealt with us honorably and with respect. And so we told them that if Dr. Paul didn't make it through the first round, that we would go for their man. They pledged us three delegates to the republican national convention," Edward Burgess, Paul campaign spokesman, told WSAZ.

Romney's campaign was not happy with this development as you can imagine. At the end of the convention, the Romney camp tried to call for a roll call vote of delegates, but the chairman would not allow that.

One unidentified Romney staffer told WSAZ, "it took three candidates together to beat him."

You know what...

I didn't even look at the McCain totals. I see what you mean, he obviously threw his delegates at Huck. But, the quote at the bottom says he gets 18 of WVs 30 delegates. So, the only real positive is that the headlines won't read "Romney wins WV".

One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

What McCain wanted....

wv

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

WV

I thought it was winner take all in WV. I guess not. I was hoping ole Romney would make it a race and now it just seems like he has no chance since he needed every break he could muster.

On the positive sign, it would appear that James Dobson and Rush Limbaugh are not going to embrace McCain. That's awesome.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/dobson_i_will_never_support_mc.php

Winner take all in portions

This vote was winner take all for 18 delegates (Romney got none). The other 12 are reserved for their state convention I believe.

urbinato is right

TPM is reporting that McCain contacted his supporters and asked them to swing to Huckabee. Huckabee also bribed Paul with three national delegates if he gave his supporters to Huckabee as well. This is all a bunch of back room shenanigans and no real reflection on McCain's strength as a candidate.

It does show how screwed up the winner-take-all process is, however.

Romney...

Since I'm "pulling" for Romney, I think it's obvious that Huckabee will be a spoiler for him, allowing McCain to win. I'm wondering why Huckabee stayed in. I mean, obviously he could just really want to spread his message, which is certainly understandable. But he does know he won't win, right? So is he playing spoiler so McCain will give him the VP nod?

I think, from a red perspective (brain...hurts...from thinking that way!), Huckabee would make a good VP for either of them (better for Romney). Not to steal from West Wing, but Huckabee could be the Gov. Ray Sullivan for either "non-traditional" Republican on the top of the ticket and bring those conservatives to them.

Anyhoo, watching MSNBC now, and Romney is crying foul on WV...

Nah....I'm excited.....

I was just waiting to put up the open thread. You beat me to it. We must have been thinking about it at the same time b/c when I came to post it you had just put it up. Funny that we would think of it at the same time.

I have been staying away from the television. I'm fixing dinner now (chicken pot pie) so I can toss it in later and stay glued to the tube. I hope it's exciting. :)

Of course, nothing will beat the game tomorrow night. Go Heels!



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Vote Democratic! The ass you save may be your own.

I've got ribs in the crock pot from this morning.....

One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Yum......

You were thinking way ahead!

I'm putting my predictions together. I stink at this, but I'll post them in a minute.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.



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Vote Democratic! The ass you save may be your own.

Was that one small hot dog or a large hot dog?

I have been staying away from the television. I'm fixing dinner now (chicken pot pie) so I can toss it in later and stay glued to the tube. I hope it's exciting. :)*BM

I agree! It is so exciting, that I just toss my Dog into the mirowave when somebody ask that we have hot dogs tonight in order to keep up with the elections......

My predictions

OK...I'm going out on a limb and call Illinois for Obama and Arkansas for Clinton. HOWEVER....I think Obama wins Illinois by a larger margin than Clinton wins Arkansas. I still think of Clinton as hailing from Arkansas b/c of Bill.

Clinton will also win New York, Kansas, California, Oklahoma, Massachusetts, Arizona, New Jersey, American Samoa, North Dakota, Connecticut, Delaware, Minnesota, Missouri and Tennessee. Most of these wins will be closer than Clinton will want. I think she'll win New York fairly handily and Arkansas, Tennessee and Oklahoma by larger margins.

Obama will run away with Georgia, Utah and Democrats Abroad...along with Illinois. He'll also carry Alabama, Alaska, Colorado, Idaho and New Mexico.

I have no idea about the delegates, but I think Clinton will take more delegates than Obama overall, but it won't be such a huge haul given the number of states where she wins the popular vote.

My general predictions based on nothing but looking at a bunch of polls, reading a bunch of other articles and pretending like I know how people will vote. :)



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Vote Democratic! The ass you save may be your own.

There's some risk taking you!

OK...I'm going out on a limb and call Illinois for Obama and Arkansas for Clinton.

Whew! Tough call! :)

I have no idea what to expect -- but I'll be glued to the tv which is not near my computer, so I'll stop in after different big calls and see what you all have had to say about it.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

Obama takes Georgia

No delegates assigned yet



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Vote Democratic! The ass you save may be your own.

The pundits are surprised

that Obama gets over 40% of the white vote in Georgia? Maybe the rest of the nation is waking up to the fact that the south ain't what it used to be. Contrary to your stereotypes, Mr. Scarborough, the south doesn't have a monopoly on racists and bigots.

By the way, I've never understood what's so "sexy" about stiletto heels. Help me out here. Although I've never worn them, they just look painfully uncomfortable. That's supposed to be "sexy"?

That bugs me too, jlgolden.

I don't like anyone assuming I'm going to vote a certain way because I'm white, or because I'm female, or because I'm a certain age.

Oh - and the stillettos? They are painfully uncomfortable. I think the "sexy" part is that you can't walk in them without wiggling your behind. Another female fashion created by men, or at least to attract them. :) I've worn exactly one pair in my life, and that lasted about 3 minutes.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

While I have your attention

Put this in your calendar.


Big Win For Obama

An impressive victory for Obama in Georgia. A win by thirty points could be a good omen for the Obama camp. Still all he did was hold serve. The 8:00 polls hold some more interesting story lines. New Jersey was a state that was supposed to go easily for Clinton, but Obama has been on the move there. If it is not called early, it could be the sign of a long night for Hillary. Missouri is another such state that seemed to be in the Hillary camp a week ago (though not as strongly as New Jersey) and has become a nail biter. I am also interested in Connecticut. Georgia gives us the first hint that Obama might have the wind at his sails (beating the most recent polls by 10-15%.

Projections for the 8:00

Projections for the 8:00 closings!!!

Alabama Obama by 8
Connecticut Obama by 2
Delaware Clinton by 3
Illinois Obama by 25
Massachusetts Clinton by 6
Missouri Obama by 1
New Jersey Clinton by 4
Oklahoma Clinton by 17
Tennessee Clinton by 6

I just thought I would throw that out there!

While I still have your attention . . .

What do you think about this? Could we do this in North Carolina?

I should warn you. This might become my new mission.

Think local.

Whole Foods is doing away with them. Let's pressure Weaver Street and Trader Joe's to do the same. Then, start in to other stores.

One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Get the GA

to give us the right to charge a usage fee for plastic bags inside the city limits.

It's a great idea!

I have to admit, I find a good use for a lot of the plastic that comes into my house via shopping bags, but I have four dogs that need to be cleaned up after. However, I'm all for using the many canvas bags I've collected from conferences for my shopping and figuring out a better way to dispose of dog waste that winds up where it shouldn't.

I just have to be reminded to take the canvas with me.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

Where is the results watching party in Chapel Hill?

1 Thessalonians 5:21: But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.

I always wanted to be the avenging cowboy hero—that lone voice in the wilderness, fighting corruption and evil wherever I found it, and standing for freedom, truth and justice. - Bill Hicks

I'm at home by myself with three sick kids. Sorry.

One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

get well, kids!

Good grief! If something is going around, please let me know immediately so I can wrap my son in gauze and antibiotic cream, or something! We finally have nice spring weather and now there is illness? I am supposed to have a few weeks before allergies drive me back to my sick bed!

Richardson's beard

Alriiiiiiight!

Horatio Sanz called...

he DOES NOT approve of Bill Richardson's impersonation.

They may not be on the payroll....

but listening to Clinton, I am left believing that Begala and team are back in charge of the Clinton campaign. Her speech is much better than previously, even though she still gives a horrible speech.

One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Traction - 150 Young People Watch Results in Durham

I just got back from Traction's Super Fat Tuesday Party at Fishmonger's in Durham. We had 150+ people show up to watch the results and celebrate Mardi Gras. The restaurant was literally standing room only. It was a blast to hang out with so many other young people (20's and 30's) who are committed to political action.

Most of the crowd were Obama supporters. There were a lot of former Edwards supporters. Everyone was excited to have our voices heard May 6.

And Hampton Dellinger showed up to meet us! Thanks Hamp.

That was an amazing crowd

Grace and I stuck our heads in, said hello to the mess of peeps gathered there, then went to Alivia's because we were hungry and didn't want to wait 2 hours. Sorry I missed Dellinger.

Frustration in Xanadu

It is days like this that make me aware of what I political junky I am. I am sitting here refreshing 5 sites, trying to get the latest news and wishing that I had a TV. I would like to point people to Talking Points Memo, which so far has given me the best relief for my jonesing for pure numbers. (is that how you spell jonesing? if not will someone please correct me?)

CM

The Great appear great because we are on our knees – Let Us Rise!
-- “Big Jim” Larkin

The Great appear great because we are on our knees – Let Us Rise!
-- “Big Jim” Larkin

According to my friends,...

..sitting on my couch with 2 TVs going, and refreshing 3-4 sites religiously makes one "a fucking ridiculous loser." Did I mention I had awesome friends? Oh well, I love this stuff.

I hear ya...

Some might say that staying up to 2 am to give Interviews to a few radio stations in Belgium (where it's morning already) makes me a loser too. I don't care, pretty soon I'll have groupies when I go back to Belgium for a visit.

Just gotta wonder

what is your connection to Belgium? I know that has prob been answered, but I was curious, what with this and the trip to Chi-town.

Also, do you have any connections in Ireland? Would love to be a celebrity there when I go back.

CM

The Great appear great because we are on our knees – Let Us Rise!
-- “Big Jim” Larkin

The Great appear great because we are on our knees – Let Us Rise!
-- “Big Jim” Larkin

I AM Belgian

The first 30 years of My life were spent in Belgium.
I'm a Belgian citizen and halfway through the process of also being an American citizen.
I moved to the US in August of 2000 after getting married to my amazing American wife.
I have no connections in Ireland and I've never been there. sorry :-)

that would explain it...

And I have never been to Belgium, although I hear it is quite nice. Maybe I'll go some time to work on my French, because although it is bad, my Flemish and German are non-existant. Yeah Belgium has got to be a great place, what with the Celtic history and all.

BTW is there some kind of European conspiracy to get Obama elected? All the Europeans that I know are rabid Obama supporters and have been from the start. The righties keep talking about his "Muslim" connections, but maybe this is a conspiracy of the EU? Just a thought :-)

This Irish-American is/was 110% behind Edwards. In 2004 I wore an Irish-American for Kerry-Edwards button and caught so much crap for it. Was actually called a Fenian Bastard Terrorist. Just goes to show you that all our ethnic/racial problems are not behind us.

CM
The Great appear great because we are on our knees – Let Us Rise!
-- “Big Jim” Larkin

The Great appear great because we are on our knees – Let Us Rise!
-- “Big Jim” Larkin

Could you have them send me a keg of

Leffe, please? North Carolina doesn't sell GOOD beer and ale and both my wife and I love Leffe.
;-)
North Carolina. Turning the South Blue!

North Carolina. Turning the South Blue!

I beg your pardon?

A lot of folks worked hard to get the law changed so that NC could sell high-alcohol microbrews. Where are you shopping?

One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

NC Microbrews 101

There are outstanding microbrews produced in Asheville, Winston-Salem, Chapel Hill, and Fayetteville--and some other good ones from Charlotte, Greensboro, Holly Springs and Farmville (yes, Holly Springs and Farmville). Craft beer fans can set him up on a tasteful tour of the state.

Should a candidate admit knowing that? I guess I can chalk it up to boosting our state's economy. (And I am a Democrat, after all.)

Dan Besse
Democrat for Lieutenant Governor
www.danbesse2008.org

Dan Besse

There are some very good microbrewers here in NC, Dan.

I couldn't agree with you more. I go over occasionally to the Spring Garder / Red Oak Brewing Company in Greensboro and they make some very good brew. Cottonwood Brewing in Boone was quite good as well (especially the India Pale Ale).

North Carolina. Turning the South Blue!

North Carolina. Turning the South Blue!

recommendations

If you're an IPA fan (like me), then I'd recommend:
Elm Street IPA at Natty Greene's in Greensboro.
Or better yet, the IPA at Foothill's in Winston-Salem (my personal favorite).
And if you're up for a longer drive, Shiva IPA at Asheville Pizza and Brewery is worth the climb. Or if you're heading east, try Hoppy Hour IPA at Mash House Brewing in Fayetteville.
There ARE advantages to work that requires you to travel around the state...

Dan Besse
Democrat for Lieutenant Governor
www.danbesse2008.org

Dan Besse

Helping the economy

Harris Teeter, a North Carolina company, would get a lot more money from me if they were allowed to sell alcohol before noon on Sunday like they can on the other six days of the week...

We're there in the eleven o'clock hour and you always see people being denied their purchases when they go up to the register. Lots of them are in church clothes, so it's not just the heathens shopping for groceries and beer.

Pop the Cap!

Yes indeed. I remember the Pop the Cap folks from the Durham Beer Fest every year.

Obviously, I'm not shopping at the right places.

I remember hearing they were changing the law, but I've seen no sign of good new beers at the local supermarkets. Must be time to take a trip to Total Wine in GSO and actully look at their beer selection.

Any good places in the Raleigh area? My daughter lives over that way.

North Carolina. Turning the South Blue!

North Carolina. Turning the South Blue!

Places to check in Raleigh

Ok, PLACE. I'll give you my favorite -- and I do think they're great because they turned me on to a really really cheap chardonnay that is truly yummy.
Seaboard Wine Warehouse is the place. They're located in the shopping center known as Seaboard Station, which is kind of hidden in downtown Raleigh.
If your daughter knows where Logan's is, she'll know where this place is. Another landmark is the recently opened "ACE Hardware" store. But most people in the beltline know the area because of Logan's, which is a plant store.

Anyway, they carry some o' that fancy beer. You like Three Philosophers? And some kind of Fishhead thing? They got that stuff.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
-Edmund Burke

Three Philosophers

Hubby's new found favorite. We bought at Harris Teeter on Sunday, but we sleep in, so it must have been after 12. :)

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

Been there

That beer is brewed near Cooperstown, NY. I have toured their "Belgian style" brewery and it is amazing. Really cool to see it in process.

Interesting tid-bit about those beers. You can actually "cellar" them like wine for a year.

"Keep the Faith"

"Keep the Faith"

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